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good evening. i'm alex marquart in for ana cabrera. president trump is on air force one right now heading to the
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u.n. general assembly. comes a day after acknowledging he did discuss his political rival joe biden in a phone call with a foreign power. but as far as the president is concerned everything about that call was just perfect. >> you'll be okay with the ukrainian government releasing their version of the transcript. >> well, i think their version would be the same as our version, it would be identical. but they did, they put out a major statement last nights and in the statement they said it was a very, very fine conversation and there was no pressure, no nothing. there was no pressure. that was not pressure. i know when i give pressure. and that was not pressure. >> democrats are now demanding to see a transcript of that call as calls for impeachment heat up. >> if in particular after having sought foreign assistance and welcomed foreign assistance in the last presidential campaign as a candidate, he's now doing the same thing again but now using the power of the
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presidency, then he may force us to go down this road. i have spoken with a number of my colleagues over the last week, and this seals different in kind. and we may very well have crossed the rubicon here. >> and it's not just democrats sounding the alarm. there's this tweet from utah republican senator mitt romney. he's saying if the president asked or pressured ukraine's president for information on his political rival it would be troubling through the extreme, critco critical for the facts to come out. jeremy diamond is in ohio where the president was earlier today. there's no evidence of any wrongdoing on either biden's part, but the president is not backing down in his accusations against them or his defense he did nothing wrong. >> reporter: that's right. and it is remarkable, alex. when you think about the fact the president is currently the one facing this whistle-blower complaint alleging among other things he pressured the
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ukrainian president to investigate one of his political rivals, the former vice president joe biden. and all of that happening of course as the president was withholding military aid to ukraine. none of that has stopped the president from continuing to talk about this story, really pumping up these unverified allegations about the former vice president. >> what you have to do is look at the corruption on the democrat side. take a look how the whole witch hunt started. now they want to try to start another witch hunt but unfortunately now this one is reverting to joe biden because he's done some very bad thing. and i'm not looking to hurt him, to be honest because he needs all the help he can get. i'm not looking to hurt him. i'm not looking to hurt his family. but the corruption and what he said is a terrible thing. >> reporter: as you hear there, alex, the president mud dying te political waters, but also using that term witch hunt, and now
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he's using that term to refer to this whistle-blower kmapt. and all this happening as the president and his administration still refusing to provide details of that whistle-blower complaint to congress despite the president possiblyope the door this morning to release a transcript of that call, he hadn't done it. and it's his white house has has instructed t instruct instructed the director of national intelligence not to release that story. the president will also be sitting down on the side lines of the united nations general assembly with the president of ukraine. >> that's right, jeremy. calls for this transcript will only grow as the week starts tomorrow. jeremy diamond in ohio, thanks very much. let's look at a time line how this all played out. the president said he discussed joe biden with the ukrainian president during a routine phone call, if you will, july 25th.
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then two and a half weeks later an intelligence official filed a whistle-blower complaint we're told in part was about that call with the ukrainian president. in the complaint the whistle-blower reportedly mentions an alarming promise the president made to a foreign leader. president trump moved to block $250 million in military aid to ukraine that the country uses to protect itself from its enemy to the east, russia. then earlier this month the hold on that ukrainian aid was lifted just days after congress was notified of the whistle-blower complaint. joining me now to dive into all this is cnn political analyst david gergen who served as an advisor to presidents nixon, ford, reagan and clinton. also with me bill crystal. david, first to you. the president seems to have shifted his argument from everything was appropriate in this call with president
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zelenskiy on this heavily populated call to then talking about biden and he said the whistle-blower was spying on this call. so that changed there, david. with was that a tacit admission something was unforward in that call? >> i think the president finally acknowledged he did have these conversations with the president of ukraine. there's a lot of things we don't know for sure but we have some good reporting from credible sources which fills in a picture i think is tougher on the president than even your summary. to think that after spending two years trying to convince the public that he was not working with the russians, his team wasn't working with the russians, wasn't working with any foreign power in getting him elected, and then the day after mueller testifies, according to "the washington post," he then placed the first call to the president of ukraine feeling as
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though -- feeling as "the post" said, he was invincible. and according to the reporting, in that conversation -- that first conversation on eight different occasion, he lobbied the president of ukraine to dig up dirt on biden. eight different times. >> yeah, and in fact the intelligence chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff, he's saying it's really easy to clear all this up. here he is earlier today on "state of the union" with jake tapper. >> why doesn't the president simply release the transcript of that call. and i don't know whether the whistle-blower complaint is on this allegation but if it is and even if it isn't, why doesn't the president just say release the whistle-blower complaint? clearly he's afraid for the public to see either one of those things. >> both of you gentleman have worked in white houses. bill, is it really that easy to
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release a transcript? we would know whether or not the president said this once or eight times? how would the white house go about releasing this transcript? >> it's veriy easy to. you take out -- redact that sensitive stuff in there and release it. maybe you release only president trump's side of it. you don't release the foreign leader's words on the theory you can't release what a foreign leader says to a u.s. president. they can release donald trump's words. and if they take out one or two things classified secrets, numbers, names of people, that would be fine. so they can release it. there is a transcript, it appears there's also a memorandum of the conversations. others would have read it. so this is find outable fact, and i think it's a big mistake to get lost in the weeds of the whistle-blower or hunter biden did this or that. congress has an absolute obligation to discover that in my view. one interesting thing i think is there's no more mueller investigation. congress can't say anymore, well, bob mueller will find this out, he'll do our work for us.
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the ball is squarely in congress' lap. i think they need to organize one of their committees to really discover what's happened and if the trump administration stonewalls, i personally regard that at least maybe likely as an impeachable moment itself. the president, i don't see what grounds he can standby saying congress has no right to know this. >> bill, i want to follow up on that because of something david touched on. do you think if we saw this transcript it would show explicit quid pro quo that military aid was held up unless the ukrainians investigated biden? >> i don't know. it would be like any other investigation to find out what giuliani said, what other subordinates said, and you could ask others at the embassies in kiev and elsewhere. the fact we're not seeing it, makes one wonder what it is. but it really is important to find out what happened. because as david said if this
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happened as it's been reported, it is really extraordinary and shocking. >> and one of the ways we could actually find out what happened is if we get a little bit more transparency into this whistle-blower complaint. the white house blocked the acting director of national intelligence joseph maguire from releasing that transcript to congress even though he's required by law to turn it over to the oversight committees. david, there are a lot of people who want to learn a lot. what would you be asking if you were among those committee members? >> i'd want to know who blocked him from sending this report already? let me just say, i agree with everything bill crystal said and he said it extremely well as he always does, but i want to go back to this point. the president says there's no pressure.
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when the president of the united states calls you and says eight different times this is something i want done, you don't have to talk about quid pro quo. the president of ukraine knows the money is being held up, he knows he needs to get along well with president trump in order to have a working relationship and getting that money for weapons. so it's pretty vital for him to under the circumstances, of course it's a quid pro quo. it does not have to be stated. and i do think that we need to see the language of the conversation. and if it's in the, fine, let's move on and move on quickly. if it's not, then you can determine where you go from there. i do think that the longer they stall and hold on at the white house and not release it, the more the pressure's going to grow not just among democrats in congress but in the country at large to go to impeachment inquiries because at that level, at that stage many lawyers think that the president's claim to
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executive privilege would be a lot weaker in that context. >> there is something that the white house and republicans could seize on, and that's a discrepancy in the story between joe and hunter biden regarding ukraine. listen to what former vice president joe biden said yesterday when defending himself and his son. he was in iowa, he was being asked whether or not he ever discussed his son's work in ukraine. >> mr. vice president, how many times have you ever spoken to your son about his overseas business dealings? >> i've never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings. here's what i know, i know trump deserves to be investigated. he is violating every basic norm of a president. you should be asking him the question, why's he on the phone with a foreign leader trying to intimidate a foreign leader. >> hunter biden was also asked the same question by "the new yorker." he was quoted by them. as hunter recalled he discussed
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the company he was on the board of with him just once. dad said i hope you know what you're doing, and i said i do. bill, cnn has investigated. others have investigated. there's no evidence of any wrongdoing by either bidep. do you think joe biden should be worried this could be worried against him? does it even matter? >> no, that's not a real discussion, and even if it were, it doesn't matter. joe biden is not president of the united states. whatever joe biden and hunter biden did could be investigated, i suppose. it has been investigated by paris authorities incruding the ukrainian government and the media. the trump administration controls it justice department. i suppose they could investigate it, too. it doesn't matter what trump did is wrong, it doesn'ter matter whether hunter biden or joe biden had one conversation or zero or five conversations. >> david gergen, you're sticking around with bill crystal. thank you so much for joining me tonight. all right, well, coming up, intense heat waves, devastating storms and melting ice. a sobering assessment of the climate crisis as scientists
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speaking. millions of protesters have joined her endemanding more action on the climate crisis. she got her inspiration from the school walk outs here in the united states after the parkland shooting. >> one of the ideas was that wooegd we could do some kind of school strike until the next election and then i and other school striking children thought why should we stop now when we are making our voices heard and when we are actually sort of changing the debate about this. >> but there will be a very noticeable absence at the climate summit tomorrow. that's the united states. president trump is expected to skip it, the second climate meeting that the president has skipped in two months. and all this comes as we get a preview of a dire new scientific report about the state of the environment. to get out into all this, david gergen is back with me. also joining us is cnn senior
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united nations correspondent. gentleman, thank you so much for being with me. we often hear about new dire climate reports that come out. what is significant about this one? >> well, this one says there may be no going back. it talks about the hottest five years in the world have just taken place. and it talks about the state of land, the state of the oceans and how food security, mygration, all other issues economically affected by climate change, and even if you don't think you're touched by it now, you will be. >> david, when you look at the u.s. not participating, i mean the united states was such a leader when it came to getting the paris peace accord up and running, and now we've pulled out of it, and the u.s. isn't even paying lip service to climate change efforts. we're not even going to these meetings. so when the world leaders get together around these issues, do
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you think they are shaking their hands in anger or simply shaking their heads because they have gotten used to how this administration acts? >> well, i think to be fair to the president you've got a number of countries now dragging their feet. china and india should be doing far more than they're doing. brazil is trying to turn its rain forests into development. so there are other countries. but the absence of leadership from the united states, the withdrawal of the united states from the conversations and the paris accords has meant that there's no international leadership as there should be. time is runneling out. the people who seem to understand this best are the young. this 16-year-old greta thunberg is a sensation because she started out every friday by herself, standing in front of her parliamentary building in stockholm and gradually other people started copying her. and this weekend over the last couple of days we had 4 million people around the globe who were
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in the streets, many of them younger because it's their generation that's going to suffer. and they speak with a moral clarity, frankly, that adults starting in the white house are not expressing today on this very, very existential issue. >> david, you wrote a column about greta thunberg. she is an extraordinary young woman, just 16 years old. what really stands out to you? >> i think she's a very straight forward young lady, she speaks her mind. and she's much more compeing than you'd ever think a 16-year-old could be, but that was like the model she built it around, the parkland students. they were extremely compelling n way they talk to us and say simple things that are meaningful. and greta thunberg, one of the things she's done, there's very little hypocrisy about her. she thinks it would have been hypocritical to fly a commercial airplane to new york for the very important gatherings at the
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u.n. instead she came on a sailboat, two weeks on rough seas to get there, and i'm told she's heading down to chile. can you imagine how it's going to be -- how hard it's going to be to get to chile without a plane? but it speaks to how serious she is. >> extraordinarily so. and she's so remarkable and well-spoken and has galvanized young people all over the world in a remarkable way. richard, when you look at the way the world comes together and acts, can they get a lot done even the united states isn't participating? >> well, the u.n. takes time. they don't have a global climate army. the secretary-general is doing all he can. it may be the omissue he can get a lot of countries together on, even though as david points out, a lot of big carbon emitters are stepping aside or not paying attention or leaving the vacuum. it may be the young but greta thunberg is expected to talk inside the u.n. forum on monday
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and you need a celebrity. perhaps she can be the one, but you've got corporations that want to do something, and yet the republican party and the trump leadership, they ignore the concerns. there are corporations attending this meeting, it isn't just countries and boring diplomats. >> and mayors are standing up. look at the fight california had over the emissions and rolling back the requirements with regard to new cars. and good for c to take some leadership. >> this is a big week. and i want to ask both of you quickly what you will be looking out for. it's more than just the climate. there's lots of dynamics at play. richard you've been covering the united nations for so long. what's the topic? >> i know climate is number one, but you can't avoid the diplomatic sexiness. will president rouhani meet in passing president trump over the next few days? i think all eyes will still be on that.
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>> david, same question to you. what are you going to be looking out for the next few days here in new york? >> i think richard is right to point to the middle east. the bigger question is middle east, whether it's iran or what the saudis are going to do. how is everybody going to get through this? where do we stand with the palestinians and the israelis putting together a new government? there are big questions on the table. but come back to it, climate is the number one issue facing all these countries. >> all right, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> coming up, how will the saga over a whistle-blower, how it's part of a larger story about the president and the intelligence community. that's coming up. m grain bowls are full of good. full of flavor, color, full of- woo! full of good. so you can be too. try our new warm grain bowls today. panera. food as it should be.
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the saga this week over the silencing of a whistle-blower complaint against the president is really just the latest chapter in what has been a very contentious relationship between the president of the united states and his intelligence community. cnn's john avalon has your realty check. >> reporter: welcome to it latest episode of trump's war on intelligence. a whistle-blower being silenced by it administration over serious allegations that the president is saying things he
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really shouldn't to foreign leaders. the president's defense, quote, is anybody dumb enough to believe i would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader? yes, mr. president, unfortunately the answer is yes. and here's why. you've got a record of dissing and dismissing and compromising our intelligence community. the trouble began a day after trump's inauguration when he stood against the wall of heroes and talked about himself. >> trust me, i'm like a smart person. god looked down and said we're not going to let it rain on your speech. i think we have the all-time record in the history of time magazine. >> that was supposed to smooth over -- of course the sticking point has always been russia's attack on our election. >> he just said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> anyway, since then there have
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been a half-dozen meetings with putin that we know of. and one trump reportedly confiscated his interpreter's notes to keep the meeting secret and suggested during another meeting putin come to america. and watch dan coates learn about that one realtime. what about trump's suggestion even now he would accept foreign dirt on his opponents. >> the fbi director is wrong. >> okay. how about this, the president welcoming russian ambassador and foreign minister into the oval office where he reportedly spilled intelligence about isis so sensitive even our allies aren't allowed to know about. this played a role in extraction for that person's safety. trump told filipino strong man duterte there were two missile subs. he taunted iran about the
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recently failed missile launch possibly revealing what kind of spy satellite technology we have and when we use it. or how about he effectively apologized to kim jong-un after we used or intelligence to spy on him? look, our system depends on a president who trusts our intelligence community over our adversaries, but instead seems like our intelligence community may not trust our president. so mr. president, it's not that we're too dumb to believe you said something inappropriate to a foreign leader, it's that we're too smart to forget you've done it before. and that's your reality check. >> our thanks to john avlon for that. coming up the chilling back to school psa that sparked a nationwide debate this week. >> these new sneakers are just what i needed for the new year. >> this jacket is a real must-have. >> my parents got me the
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this is just in to cnn, police in hazelton, pennsylvania, say they've thwarted a school shooting and bombing attack that was being planned. they arrested 28-year-old christian deal on saturday night after the city's mayor received a tip from a concerned citizen. according to police they obtained an intercepted message threatening a mass shooting and pipe bombings against two separate campuses. police arrested him just hours after receiving that tip. he faces a third degree felony charge of threatening to use weapons of mass destruction. backpacks, binders and a new pair of shoes. those items might sound like to school essentials. now instead they're serving a darker alternative purpose. self-defense against an active shooter. this is the reality that kids are up against these days and one that is being portrayed in a
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>> joining me now is tony montalto. he lost his 14-year-old daughter ge gena. >> thanks for having me. >> i've watched this a number of times and it smacks me every single type. it does not hold back. it's incredibly powerful. in the time since you've released it, have you seen an impact, and what impact do you think it can have? >> well, i'll say for the families who lost somebody in the parkland shooting, it was quite a shocking video. but we live through that every day. the fact that it shocks some other people in this nation is actually i think what it was designed to do. it's designed to get peoples attention.
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and we need to focus our attention on school safety yet again. >> and something else your organization does is you arm parents and students in schools with essentially a checklist, a list of questions that parents should be asking of their chirp's school. for example, does the school have an active shooter policy? does the school train all staff members for active shooter scenarios? and those are just a couple of those questions it really is horrifying we have to ask them at all. but if any of these schools answer no to any of these questions you're suggest, what should parents be doing? >> well, this is not -- these questions are not the end of the conversation. they're really the beginning of the conversation. we know that it takes numerous avenues to help us solve this problem. staying with parkland believes in securing the campus, better mental health screening and
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support and finally for responsible firearms ownership. all those things failed us that day. these questions are based on the hours of testimony that we witnessed from the marjory stoneman douglas high school public safety commission here in florida, from reading some of the federal report on school safety that came out. these are valuable resources to get parents involved. we need involved parents to demand that our nation's school administrators and school boards pay attention to the safety of our children. it's not just about education anymore. if our children and our spouses fail to come home from school, graduation rates don't matter, the reading level doesn't matter. we need to keep everyone safe first. >> tony, gun reform is something that's been taken up not just on kopt but also on the campaign trail. lots of 2020 candidates talking about it as they're on the
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stump. let's take a listen. >> hell yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47. we're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow americans anymore. >> tony, beto o'rourke there really ahead of the pack in term of the democratic field. when you hear o'rourke saying things like that, hell yes we want to take away your ar-15s, do you think that will change the conversation in any constructive way? >> well, i think he garnered some publicity for himself, but quite frankly we need to start bringing people together to solve this problem. statements like that tend to divide people. they tend to get the pro-firearms folks running one way and we get the anti-firearms folks running the other way. and frankly, this is not a republican problem. it's not a democratic problem. this is an american problem and we need to find a way to come together to solve it. it will take the best minds in this country and all of us
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listening to one another, having a discussion and then finding the consensus position we can carry forward into policy changers or law changes in order to keep all americans safe including our students and teachers at school. >> yeah, that's the argument that a lot of his democratic opponents were also saying, that it plays into the hands of people who don't want to see gun reform. but we are seeing reform, tony, in the private sector. we now have stores like wal-mart, public, kroger, cvs, they're asking customers to no longer openly carry their guns in these states -- in their stores rather where open carry is legal. do you think that that's an effective change? >> well, i think again it's going to take all of us to get involved. we're happy to see the private sector start to take some leadership role. we're hopeful that quite frankly
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the president will take more of a leadership role, tell congress what he needs and then congress needs to provide the president bills to sign into law. but we'reerary happy to see the private sector begin to get involved. right after the parkland shooting we saw dick's sporting goods make a change to their firearms policy. and we're greatly appreciate tfative of all who want to provide positive change for this country. >> thanks so much for joining me. all right, well coming up, trouble for justin trudeau, the canadian prime minister's re-election campaign has been rocked by even more images of him wearing racist black face make-up. that's coming up. ♪ ♪
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right now canadian prime minister justin trudeau is trying to steady his re-election bid after a third image surfaced of him this week in black face years ago. and as we've already seen his strategy involves a lot of apologizing. cnn's randy kaye reports. >> reporter: a young justin
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trudeau, the future canadian prime minister, in new video obtaped exclusively by global news, it's from the early 1990s. and while unclear where it was shot, you can see trudeau wearing black face, laughing with his tongue out and his hands in the air. it appears his arms and legs are covered in black face as well. trow dough apologized for it all at a press conference late today. >> it was blackface and that just is not right. >> reporter: that was trudeau's second apology in less than 24 hours. now having to answer for not one but three instances of wearing blackface, dating back decades. the first was reported by "time" magazine wednesday evening. the picture shows trow dough at a party at a private school where he worked as a teacher. the theme of the party was arabian knights. in the photo from the school's 2000 to 2001 yearbook trow dough is covered in blackface.
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his neck and hands are also darkened. trudeau issued an apology late wednesday. >> it was a dumb thing to do. i'm disappointed with myself. >> reporter: trudeau who was nearly 30 when the photo was taken was asked if he thought it was racist. >> yes, it was -- i didn't consider it a racist action at the time, but now we know better. >> reporter: along with that apology trudeau mentioned another photo, one in which he admitted he wore blackface in a high school talent. at the time the photo hadn't been showed publicly but cte tweeted. this is the picture of justin trudeau in reference to blackface he referenced at his press conference. he's singing day oh apparently. >> what i did hurt them, hurt people who shouldn't have to face intolerance and discrimination because of their
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identity. this is something that i deeply, deeply regret. >> reporter: all of this happening just days after justin trudeau announced his re-election campaign. meanwhile the apology tour to continues. >> i've had to reflect on the fact that wanting to do good and randy kay, cnn, new york. >> all right, thanks. >> coming up, oh baby, when kids and campaigns collide. another provacative season of "this is life wi" right here onn with lisaling.
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